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nice, looks like Turkoman pendants - are they ?
well ... hope they are !!!! now with my visits here I have the sensation to have all bullshit pieces !!! (sorry ...) :-(
Certainly not! My question was, because I am not an expert on Turkoman pieces, in fact, before I joined Ethnic, I did not know anything about Turkoman items......... so I just wanted to know, if these are such (excluded the Tuareg Tisek Ring, which is very nice too! ). Do not let it get you down. Some people here are sellers or owners of shops, of course they have many more items, than we, the "only collectors". And some have their pictures from Internet.....
They are Turkoman items, very nice. I particularly like the one on the left with the elegant shape. As Eva said, the ring with the pointed carnelian is Tuareg. It looks to me as if the pendant above that ring ( the one with six sides and what looks like coral drops) may be Kazakh.
i dont understand why you are complaining. you have a nice pieces as the rest of members wrote and they know good what they were talking about.
i tell you a story , keep it in your mind in all your way as colector. this story is true and happened to a friend from iran.
i have a friend , he is a very good international colector and trader. he is from iran, lost his job because of his love to colectible items.
many years ago, he was traveling to afghanistan to purshase some antik and colectors pieces.
he had a contact with a famous dealer in the famous kabul Bazar. the afghan dealer asked him ones :
- you are traveling arround, for sure in your coutry too, you have some kind of rings with writing on. can please bring me some ? i ll pay you a good price. he showed him some.
-my friend: yes for sure, i saw them in some markets. i ll have a look
he wents home and started colecting. they were not difficult to buy and not expensive that time.
some months later, he went to afghanistan and took around 40 pieces with him, he was thinking he will get for sure good money for.
he went to his friend and showed him the rings.
the afghan dealer took them and looked at them unhappy, after a while he asked him howmuch he payed.
-my friend proud of himself: not soo much just this and this money ( they were cheap )
-the afghan dealer: how can you pay that money for thoes pieces, dont you see that they are writen wron ? they are opposite cant you see it or acnt you read . are you ignorant ? ok , for this time, i pay you what you spent. next time, if you want to do business, you have to be carefull.
my frien was happy at least to get back the money he spent.
later on, he learned a lot and knew more about antik pieces and the rings. ones he was in Kabul, he went to the afghan dealer who continous working with him, and said to him:
- last time, i colected for you some rings. you took them all and you said they were opposite. ofcourse they must be opposite, they are seal rings ,old and expensive. now i know it and i know that you did not make me a fever paying me only my costs. normaly you should give me much more mney and not telling me i m ignorant.
the afghan dealer looked at him and said:
-the money you should get and did not get is the costs for learning. you were ignorant because you did not know about and not because you could not read.
now, you are not more ignorant and you learned with paying a little money only.
they are still friends and working together until now
Thank you Ait, a great story and true. From a long time collector, no matter what you do, you have to pay to learn, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot, but the expense will be there. If you love the experience enough, you will continue. Collecting has a little to do with money, but a whole lot to do with passion and some kind of strange inner compulsion.
Patricia. i know it from trust people. sotherby and christies are selleing fake pieces.
ofcourse not in purpose but they can not say it is real or fake piece
@Ait Ouakli : I'm not complaining, I'm discouraged ! it is NOT at all aginst one of you, it is more against me as it looks I've been .... ignorant (at the beginning, you are. The deal is to become less & less with time ...), and the "worse" is that I thought having done quite good choices (regarding my "taste" and my money ...) and finally, looks taht not so good choices .... so I feel discouraged .... BUT your story is a VERY NICE STORY ! :-) and very true .... :-)
it's true I'm passioned, and want so much to learn .... so chosed the "way of books" .... but the best way, I think, is seeing the real things, comparing, touching, .... but can't travel all the time ! :-(
well .... thank you for your encouragements ! :-)
I have been actively dealing in North African pieces for some time, I take guests with me to morocco to learn to look at pieces and to understand them better.
My best advice is trust not just the way something looks, at the front, examine the back, look at the wear, and the patina, feel the piece , and even smell the piece, I can generally get a good idea of the quality of silver by smell!
There are a million nuances, which can teach us so much......keep studying and keep the passion, the clues are there, we just need to learn the language that a jewel speaks to truly know its history..
This conversation with jewellery is what we all seek , I know I will never stop !
:-)
mariane. if i have this collection of jewels, i will hang them in front of my desk and when i get tired, i look at them and get relax.
or maybe, i sell all, go sahara, buy some camels, build a small house of clay and mary a teguia :-)
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